Kut Marokkanen of knuffel Marokkanen?


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[Rob Bertholee, AIVD]: “Marokkaanse jongeren, ook al zijn ze tweede, derde generatie, bevinden zich nog steeds tussen twee culturen. Wanneer zij zich bewegen in de Nederlandse gemeenschap worden ze niet geaccepteerd en in de Marokkaanse gemeenschap worden ze niet geaccepteerd als Marokkaans”

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[Rob Bertholee, AIVD]: “Op een bepaald moment zagen we bijvoorbeeld dat zeven jongeren uit één stad gelijktijdig op jihad gingen, waardoor de misdaadcijfers daadwerkelijk daalden.”

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  1. Doe maar normaal dit is geen nieuws… EN NEE HET IS NIET DAT DE MAROKKANEN anders zijn dat ze dieven zijn??? Het is niet de schuld van de islam Maar van IS Islam is een geloof en dat moeten jullie respecteren!! @bertholee

  2. Jan

    Het zijn niet de Marokkanen of Turken die onthoofden ontvellen etc.
    Maar geflipte terroristen die niets te maken hebben met de Islam.
    Net als christendom is de islam ook een geloof van liefde
    en vrede.

    • Johan P

      Sorry hoot, maar voordat je dit soort uitspraken doet moet je echt de quran eens lezen. Een sterke aanrader, dan kun je zelf zien wat mohammed dacht en dat had niets met vrede en liefde te maken. Aangezien ik deze discussie toch al even aan het voeren was even een kopietje, want ik blijf de zooi niet eindeloos overtypen.
      En dit is maar een zeer beperket bloemlezing uit de quran alleen, Dan hebben we het nog niet over de sira en hadith
      But let me educate you all a little bit about what the quran teaches, so i will give you some quotes here. And YES, I KNOW. There are peacefull verses in the quran. But the problem is that the more warlike verses are the newest. And this is what the quran sais on verses that contradict each other:
      “Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?
      So, if 2 verses contradict each other, the chronologically last verse, the newer verse, is the stronger one and overrules the older one. And ALL of the peaceful ones are the early ones and ALL of the warlike are the newer ones. So the warlike verses overrule the peaceful verses.
      Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah hears and knows all things.”
      Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”
      Btw, not a word about fighting in selfdefence here,as is often claimed. In fact, it urges them to attack. This verse is from the time mohammed was getting his people to raid caravans from the city of Mecca.
      Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah (unbelief/persecution) is worse than killing… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists etc)”
      The verse prior to this (190) refers to “fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you” leading some to claim that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes. But the historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare because Muhammad and his muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. The Meccans were glad to be rid of him and didn’t feel a need to fight him.
      In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city, and so they did in later years. This verse means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah’s rule (ie. Muslim conquest).
      Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”.
      Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”
      Speaks for itself. Again, nothing about self-defence here, but an admonishment to fight.
      Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”
      So basically: don’t take prisoners. Use people who are deserters from the enemy and then kill those too.
      Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, amputated etc), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward ”
      So here it is made clear: those who actually fight will be rewarded more by allah then those who ‘only’ sponsor the fighters with money.
      This was mohammeds response to a follower who couldn’t fight because he was blind. But ALL capable muslims are ordered to fight, or at the very least give financial support.
      Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
      YEah,people always say jihad mean struggle, and it is supposed to be an internal struggle. Well, it DOES mean struggle. But no reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
      The targets of violence are “those who disbelieve” – further defined in the next verse (13) as “defy and disobey Allah.” Again, nothing is said about self-defense. In fact, the verses in sura 8 were narrated shortly after a battle provoked by muhammad, who had been trying to attack a caravan once again, in order to rob them.
      Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…”
      So no prisoners until a lot of people have been massacred first. You know, I still have to see the first spiritual, internal, struggle that is going to kill people or make them prisoners.
      Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”
      Ibn Kathir puts it in his tafsir on this passage in this way:, “Allah commands Muslims to prepare for war against disbelievers, as much as possible, according to affordability and availability.”
      Nothing about defense, this is obviously a command to attack.
      Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”
      So the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence at the time of Muhammad was to convert to Islam. Not doing so is reason enough to be killed.
      Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”
      Internal struggle? Not likely eh?
      Quran (17:16) – “And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.”
      So a moral transgression, like not voluntarily converting to islam, is a crime and the punishment is “utter destruction.”
      side note here: before he orderedthe 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to join Islam, and he used this verse for that.
      And again, destroying a town is not really a sign of an internal spiritual struggle.
      There are many, many more such verses, but this is enough to give anyone a bit of thought.
      islam just has no place in any civilised society

  3. Tuurlijk Jan, lees je eens in in koran, hadith en soenna zonder welke je er hooguit een studeerkamervariant van islam op na houdt die door moslims niet erkend kan worden. Want niemand moet immers menen het beter te weten dan Mohammed de profeet der moslims. Aangezien deze onaanraakbaar verklaarde voorman het voorbeeld ter navolging voorleefde (zoals in hadith en vooral soenna beschreven) valt voor ieder die zich inleest eenvoudig te constateren of de meer strijdbare of de meer aanspreekbare moslims hun profeet het beste navolgen.
    .
    Het lijkt me een goede zaak dat er serieus sociaalwetenschappelijk onderzoek gaat plaatsvinden naar een gekoraniseerde mindset, meekomende mores en de invloed daarvan op Europese samenlevingen. Nicolai Sennels maakte daarmee al een begin: http://uitingsvrij.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=2448

  4. Dat er gestorven wordt is duidelijk en voor de rest oog om oog minus 3 kwartjes om het smaakvoller te houden cq you can leave your hat on maar de rest wordt eruit gewipt gezogen of gesneden.

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